Welcome to Finance and Fury. A lot of people may be feeling regret right now – regret for not holding technology shares like Afterpay – it is up around 850% from the low in March
Was not buying tech shares a bad decision? And is there potential from here? Look at this in this episode –
Most people want to make the correct decision for investments – hard to know what is the correct decision –
- When looking at some sectors of the share markets – technology stocks in particular – might be having some regret for not investing
- But looking at these companies – the price may indicate that these are great companies
- Is it sensible or a bad idea to buy a company with a negative earning per share? Or a massive PE?
- There are plenty of shares in this basket –
- Afterpay – APT on a PE of minus 450x this year – technically doesn’t have a PE – but looking at the losses per share of $0.15 to $0.20 – looking at future projected earnings – in 2 years company would have a PE of 230x
- Xero – XRO on a PE of more than 1,000 times – 180x on 2022 forecasts
- Wisetech Global – WTC on 110x PE – and 50x on 2022 earnings forecasts
- NextDC – NXT on minus 305x PE and 231x 2022 forecasts – has a debt to equity of 100%
- List goes on – rate to find a company with a PE less than 70x in the tech basket
- In the US – The FAANG – Facebook (FB), Amazon (AMZN) 142PE, Apple (AAPL), Netflix (NFLX); and Google (GOOG) – stocks plus Microsoft account for 27% of the S&P 500 but only 8% of the revenue. The equity market in the US is valued at 152.2% of GDP – a record.
- Returns over the past 5 years – on the S&P500 – 78% of the gains have come from tech, telecommunication or e-commerce – around 50% comes from tech alone
- Also have other companies – like Tesla
- Tesla is up +330% since March 18th, and over +760% since June 2019 – remember back then it was troubled by bankruptcy concerns
- Since March, Tesla has added just over 8 Ford Motor Companies, 27 Renaults, or more than the entire market cap of Toyota ($176bn USD)
- Tesla is over 3 times the size of the “S&P 500 Automobiles and Parts” sector, even though it’s not a member or in the S&P 500 (it would be the 15th largest)
- Tesla’s market cap ($287bn) has grown to over a third of the combined market cap of the US, EU and Japanese auto indices.
- Where does Tesla rank compared to other auto companies – VW, Toyota, Daimler – top 3 – top two around 10.5m cars each year – TLS made 380k cars a year
- Tesla is at $280bn market cap – Tesla EPS -$0.81 = PE of negative 1,852
- Toyota – has a EPS of $16.40 – PE of only around 7.5 times
- Tesla’s overall share of the global autos market has grown from 0.1% in 2017 to an expected 0.8% in 2020 – which is impressive – but remains minuscule – VW is at 14% – has a market cap of $82bn USD and pe of under 7
What is going on?
- It has become fairly obvious – it has little to do with fundamentals – PE, the future projected earnings or intrinsic value
- Most of the price growth has been about not missing out on getting into the big winners and household names – i.e. making easy gains
- Comes back to extraordinary volatility and getting into the massive momentum – the rebound in the markers that has been behind the opportunity to buy these growth companies in a world where rates are near zero
- logic suggests the equity market should be down the drain right now due to a global economic downturn
- Growth versus value shares – Since the market downturn – value shares have started to underperform
- March 2019 – Jan 20 – was about even – sitting at 100 of neither growth or value outperforming the other – since then growth has started to outperform – gone up from 100 to 145 – meaning that there is an out performance of 45% on growth shares compared to value
- This isn’t just coming from individuals getting in on household names
- Professional managers – The monthly Fund Manager Survey from Bank of America is best known for the monthly chart showing what everyone on Wall Street thinks is the most crowded trade
- Crowded is what is thought to be the top trade – or largest holding positions
- What was it this month – not only did it confirm that the one trade – is the most popular sector on Wall Street – but also – that it is also the fact that this trade has been made with the biggest margin on record – i.e. the largest amount
- No surprise that this trade is Long US tech stocks which is what 74% of BofA survey respondents said they thought was the most crowded trade on Wall Street
- The sentiment on Wall Street at the moment – is that they are convinced that others like them who are finance professionals are all in on tech – backed up by the percentage of agreement behind tech being the most crowded trade is the highest of any monthly response in polling history
- Outside of shares – looking at the bond market – which is three times the size of the equity market – painting a different story
- US bond yields are at record lows and discounting negative rates from mid-2021 to 2023 despite the Fed saying they will resist that.
- The equity market is not reflecting the bond market. Record low bond yields are not consistent with a V-Shaped recovery – sign that the economy isn’t fairing so well
- Which market is right? Time will tell – no way to predict what markets are going to do in the short term with this momentum behind the tech sector
- But there is a disconnect – when looking at what the companies are worth versus to performance – technically performance is all that matters – or all that people care about
- Value only based investors have missed out on large returns recently because they are long-term and want to see “value” before they buy
- But These tech stocks are being traded as a bloc by the herd – they are all going up massively because the US technology sector is flying
- Also – the alternative traditional slow and steady investments in Australia are not sexy – consumers, Healthcare, Resources – Slow going by comparison – not what is in fashion right now
- technology it is – the global position for a quick return – which generates the price movements when everyone jumps in
What to watch out for – but also are they overvalued?
- At this stage – who is happy with these price gains – the CEOs and shareholders of these companies are very happy – and also probably not going to openly admit that there is the chance that these companies are overvalued
- But can tell that they are rather happy – hence why they are raising capital (high prices per share) and why some of the insiders like the Afterpay guys are selling some shares
- All of this has the potential to fuel a further tech bubble – There are similarities to previous tech bubbles- but also differences
- Back in 2000 in the Tech Boom – there was a massive rise in prices and there was regrets about missed opportunity – but there are differences
- Compared to a lot of the companies in 2000 – This time there are some very substantial revenues in the tech sector – but the earnings and profits are mixed depending on the company
- Compared to back in 2000 – the profits were definitely lacking – but so were the revenues
- But now – when a company is real, and profitable, there is a price for everything – there is a growth potential, there are future profits and revenues – but there is still a price for everything
- For example – take Tesla – Tesla cars are great cars – come with teething issues – just like Tesla being a company with teething issues – but would you pay $2m for a Tesla car?
- This is how these shares currently are acting
- Compare this to property – You don’t pay the eventual price for what a house price may be in a decade – prior to it even being built
- But the conditions of the market are different – the concept of the new normal
- Tech is seen as immune but also to benefit from Government shut downs
- The monetary system – tech growth companies do well with low interest rates –
What to do?
- Unfortunately for most compelling argument for an ‘investment’ in these stocks is momentum – This is a herd phenomenon – and a powerful one –
- There is little in the way of fundamental reasons to invest – like earnings
- But the easy money from the Fed and the flow of capital has started a massive momentum
- If you hold them – there is the chance that they go up further – wouldn’t rush out to sell – looks like the ride is not over – yet
- Course of action would be to try and trade this rally – which is almost impossible to time correctly –
- But don’t consider it a long term ‘investment’ at the current prices
- Full disclosure – I do own an allocation to a lot of these companies – im not rushing out to reduce this – but at the same time – there is little that shows that they are worth buying at their current prices
- This bubble will likely burst – watch it – when – who knows – may not be years – Don’t sell because these stocks have gone up a lot
- It takes time for the market to trust a company and its value
- The market overprices assets regularly – this is occurring now – is a extreme sentiment – so if you don’t own any of these shares – may not be the time to join in – as downside seems to be far greater than the upside
- The contrarian saying of buying when others are fearful and selling when others are greedy
- But being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian appears a losing position at this stage – seems like most of the market is indeed long tech stocks – A quick look at the hedge fund top 50 stocks shows that tech names account for 8 of the top 10 most popular stocks
- whatever works will continue to work until there is a reason for it not to work
- since the Fed is now effectively punishing growth stocks – the growth to value outperformance will continue until there are no more value investors left
- Something to watch out for – have the potential for much higher level of losses compared to other shares in the market
- But momentum can change – unlike other sectors – unlike that the momentum change will come from economic news – but rather mass profit taking in institutions
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